we got to the classroom and she told us how disappointed in us she was. that we had learned none of the teachings of the church, nothing about forgiveness, nothing about turning the other cheek, that we behaved as hooligans first and catholics second. >> when we first asked you to come to the interview, we were talking about two things. the automobile stuff and the kidney operation. >> it is like i tell -- i have had two kidney transplants. a wonderful colleague of mine, martha mcneil hamilton, both transplants are still functioning in me. it has taught me that you have to try to take advantage of life now. without going through pain, i do not regret it. do not regret it. >> go back. when did you have the operation? >> the first one was in 1998. that was my wife's transplant gift to me. my wife, marianne. the second one was in 2001, which was from martha hamilton. we worked together for a long time. she said that i needed another kidney and she said that she had two and that i could have one. we did the book. we did the book. you have a copy right there.